10 Jeff Ramona Re: we need to regroup 08.12.2014, 07:43
I'm glad you responded because this is fun for me. I think you are taking it much too seriously but I'm having a laugh now.
Stacey told me I was voting Tina before it was settled on Tina. I was reading through my messages and hearing back from others that I was voting Tina before I even knew that was the plan. How is that not telling me what I'm doing? After I heard from Stacey that I was voting for Tina, both Debb and myself each separately presented another argument against voting Tina and to re-consider voting Chris or Carter. You seem to forget this.
Beside the fact that voting out Tina made absolutely no sense for any of us, you still insist it is because there is a Madhesi alliance and that is why I didn't want to vote for her. That's a logical place to go but seeing as I had a final 5 alliance that did not include her, it wasn't a concern for me.
It was a concern for me voting Tina, as I mentioned many times in this thread and the one before it (btw, what was the purpose of this new thread entitled "we need to regroup" again? Please remind me.), is that she was potentially with us. I tried talking to her and she was not definitely voting against us as some others (that I wanted to vote for) were, and I was trying to get her to join us. Instead, it was just decided - by who? You? That we would just take Stacey in and run with what Stacey is telling us. And you were all too afraid of voting against Chris or Carter, so it was Tina or vote Stacey. Talk about cowardly. There was no other option. If I didn't vote either of those two, my vote would not have counted for anything (as it turned out, it didn't matter how I voted but that is beside the point). I couldn't say let's vote Kimmi because you think we have Kimmi. I can't say Denise or Angie because they have immunity. THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTIONS because of how you decided to play our alliance.
I think the act of disloyalty came when you decided to bring in two people, one of which you trusted so unconditionally that you brought in a second without any sort of scan of what their intentions are. I didn't think we had Kimmi because Kimmi was acting different than I remembered her to, and I was wary of if she was willing to work with me and, as a result, us. It didn't hurt that when I heard from people of the opposing alliance that they were counting Kimmi in with them. Did you ask anyone else beside Stacey? because it sure doesn't seem like it.
We planned for the 6-6 vote as you will read in here many times before and it was not worth it for me to go to rocks for someone like Stacey. I would've gone to rocks for you, Debb, Hayden or Rich. Now I'm not willing to go to rocks for you so I hope there is no tie between you and anyone else, because you'd go home. If there was a re-vote that included Debb, Hayden or Rich against one from the other side, I would go to rocks before I changed my vote to vote them out. As I said, you were included in this before your little tantrum. Stacey was not, and as a result, I voted against her. If I voted Tina (and Debb did too) it would have been a tie vote, and I would have switched then. What is the point of wasting the time to go through the whole re-voting process if I am hearing from everyone that it is going to be a tie vote, and that in a tie-vote, I'd change my vote? Should I not do that because it hurts your feelings?
I find it funny how you thought you had Kimmi, but didn't because she played you oh so brilliantly but you also thought you had me, and you didn't. You're so salty that you don't even realize you just labeled us in the same exact way except you called me an arrogant snake. But I expect you to come up with some convoluted response to this like everything else, where you remain as self-centered as you have been in this message, the previous message and your handling of the alliance. I think it's cute that you think I'm stroking for your jury vote, but it just falls into the category of self-importance. Now you think you are target #1 by everyone because the game revolves around you so naturally you should go next, megathreat extraordinaire. Get over yourself.
I didn't put my vote down and say, "I"M NOT VOTING TINA, CHANGE YOUR VOTES" because I would've voted Tina in the right situation - this was not one of them. I presented an argument why I did not think we should vote for Tina at least 3 times and after it was "settled", I continued on by saying I didn't feel good about this plan, hoping that you would stop being so closed-minded and actually consider an alternate option. If you had said you felt bad about the plan, I would have taken another message to re-evaluate our plan and what could go wrong - you didn't. Surprise surprise, you didn't. So because you didn't, I considered the alternate option and I decided to go with it. And it hurt your feelings. You expected me to just go along with Stacey because you wanted me to. And that hurt your feelings.
You are wrong even about me caring about your votes. I CANNOT care less about your vote, please do not get that wrong. It is something that someone self-centered probably cherishes so I want to ensure you that you are getting your understanding correct.
holy fucking pm
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:08:51 pm
