Episode 16 Commentary

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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:27:32 pm

Interesting reading you all's perception of Tina.

Here's what I think. I actually do think she's controlled the season, but in the worst way possible. She has been the swing vote for every single council, and that's because she would always talk to the minority alliance and lead them to believe she was flipping with them and voting out one of her Madhesi people. Every single vote... And then she would actually just vote along with Madhesi. It's why we've had arguably the most boring game possible in the merger.

She would entertain everyone's strategies, pretend to go along with them, and then shut them all down adn make sure it was a pagonging. Why did she do this? I have no idea... Why did she want to be seen as a tease who actually didn't make any moves at all? your guess is as good as mine, but that's exactly what she did.

Think about this... we went into the merge 4 v 4 v 4 and it has been a pagonging... HOW. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN!?

The answer is Tina.

She lead everyone to believe that she was actually flipping the game with them, only to lie and just vote them out, pissing them all off. Now normally, i would think that is brilliant gameplay, but here's the problem... No one has noticed that she did this, and because she didn't actually make any moves, she has nothing to show for it but cock teasing the jurors and pissing them off while remaining loyal to the Madhesi that were outplaying her.

If the goal was to ruin the season and simultaneously tank her own game, Brava lady, you did it!!!
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:27:45 pm

I almost hope Carter wins immunity tonight. Kimmi played a stellar social game but this whole concept that she is the shining strategic and social star/HBIC/mastermind is so patently untrue I feel it would kind of be a crappy outcome.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:30:29 pm

Chad wrote:I almost hope Carter wins immunity tonight. Kimmi played a stellar social game but this whole concept that she is the shining strategic and social star/HBIC/mastermind is so patently untrue I feel it would kind of be a crappy outcome.

Yea... I feel like she was the social star mastermind up until the merge, and then jsut got complacent along with the rest of the Madhesi tribe sans Jeff.

BUT, in Survivor perception is reality. I've told everyone this time and time again, if the jury PERCEIVES someone to be the leader, they might as well be. Kimmi is seen as the Madhesi leader and they didn't do anything about it despite being informed of this. So for that, she is going to be rewarded for their stupidity.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:31:20 pm

LMAO Jeff. icon_wub

I was going to mention something similar that Tina has sort of controlled the votes (swing vote blow with the wind status) but in an awful way but you did it way more eloquently than I could have.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:35:55 pm

Chad wrote:LMAO Jeff. icon_wub

I was going to mention something similar that Tina has sort of controlled the votes (swing vote blow with the wind status) but in an awful way but you did it way more eloquently than I could have.

To say it was frustrating to watch was an understatement. Watching plan after plan after plan being formed to switch the game up and make it exciting, only to have Tina come in and put the kabosh on everything -_- so lame.

Not only that, but peopel would form plans under the assumption that she would go along with them because she said she would (sometimes she would even come up with the plans!!) and then she would do everything in her power to ensure the pagonging happened.

i would say this would be brilliant, but she wasn't the leader of Madhesi, she knew that everyone saw Jeff/Kimmi/Debb as the leaders of Madhesi, so WHY she chose to keep them in the game for so long is beyond me. She purposely orchestrated teh game so that she would go to the end with Jeff/Kimmi/Debb... wrap your heads around that. She actually set out in her game plan and successfully shaped the game so that she could lose. It boggles the mind... Did she think that she was actually seen as the leader? She coudln't have, there were countless councils and that challenge where everyone specifically said kimmi is the biggest threat and Tina was the goat...

The ONLY thing that makes sense is that she assumed by building relationships with the people she would fuck over and send to the jury, she could argue in the final 3 that she outplayed them.... that HAS to be what she's thinking, but it's so fucking naive, especially with all the evidence against that.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Courtney » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:37:17 pm

I'm reading some of the confessionals and I can just see large, large info dumps the jury really isn't going to care about when the FTC happens (I was guilty of this in my one time I faced a jury in All Stars, but I learned VERY quickly to attempt to answer questions how the jury wants instead how you want and personalize the dangers, dammit, trying to win isn't a job interview)... that's how I got the third vote from Kelly I needed to win in a 3-2-2 vote...
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Courtney » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:37:58 pm

dangers = answers, strange typo icon_chaos icon_blush
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Caryn » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:00:31 pm

If Carter wins this final immunity I'm going to shove a pool stick up my ass.

I'll put in the thickest part first, then it will just be smooth sailing from there.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:07:25 pm

So Kimmi didn't even show up for the FIC?

Mastermind.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:14:29 pm

Jeff is in Lock 2, Kimmi is in Lock 1 and the other two are stuck in the box.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Chad » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:16:03 pm

Tina's actually in her confessional. She's not even trying.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Jeff Probst » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:23:40 pm

Chad wrote:Tina's actually in her confessional. She's not even trying.

How accurate of her to compare herself to Missy...
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Caryn » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:39:00 pm

Go Jeff!
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Caryn » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:40:16 pm

Carter can't do the challenge? Yes!
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Lisa » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:41:44 pm

Wow, I would've failed miserably at this thing. i can't even get past the first lock.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Caryn » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:21:29 pm

Jeff calling out Carter and Jury on their assumptions of Kimmi being the leader icon_cry
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Caryn » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:22:04 pm

Oops, I meant icon_wub
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Ralph » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:56:38 pm

Lisa wrote:Wow, I would've failed miserably at this thing. i can't even get past the first lock.


I fail miserably at life and don't wanna improve so i didn't try
I like the whole box idea though
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Courtney » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:00:03 am

Chris' barf emotion at Tina's fake message to Carter...

Why in the world would you bash someone on the way out? Carter played the game he was forced to play.
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Re: Episode 16 Commentary

Postby Caryn » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:18:26 am

The funny thing is that Tina still thinks she has a shot to win.
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